Anglicanorum coetibus. the facts told.

What is Anglicanorum coetibus?

This is an apostolic constitution issued by Pope Benedict XVI in November 2009 that authorized the creation of "ordinariates," geographic regions similar to dioceses but typically national in scope. Parishes in these ordinariates are to be Catholic yet retain elements of the Anglican heritage and liturgical practices. They are to be led by an "ordinary," who will have a role similar to a bishop, but who may be either a bishop or a priest. 

Anglicanorum coetibus was a response to repeated and persistent inquiries from Anglican groups worldwide who were seeking to become Catholic. Ordinariates seek to provide a way for these groups to enter in "corporate reunion"; that is, as a group and not simply as individuals. This will allow them to retain their Anglican liturgical heritage and traditions. Parishes that are part of The Episcopal Church belong to the worldwide Anglican Communion, under the spiritual direction of the Archbishop of Canterbury in England. Thus, they are both Episcopalian and Anglican.
The ordinariates are new in that they will provide a way for Anglicans to enter the Catholic Church Vatican II in a corporate manner; that is, as a group or community, while also retaining some of their Anglican heritage and traditions. 

So how does this work? Anglican priests seeking to enter the Catholic Church Vatican II under an ordinariate may apply to be ordained as Catholic priests after a period of preparation. Community members also will undergo a formation period prior to their reception into the Catholic Church. The liturgy in ordinariate parishes will be very similar to that of an Anglican liturgy. However, the parishes will use the Book of Divine Worship, which is a Vatican II-approved Catholic liturgical book that is based upon historic Anglican liturgies. So really it is Anglican in every sense.
In simple words the true belief of the Catholic Church has been sold as cheaply as possible by the Bishop of Rome which makes the new religion of Vatican II not Catholic in every sense but Anglo-Catholic. It has always been decreed that a catholic must always use a Catholic Rite. A catholic can not use a Anglican Rite. If they do so the Rite and intention is invalid especially when it comes to the sacraments as the intention of Anglicans joining the Anglicanorum Coetibus is defective as they are only joining to obtain Holy Orders although it be schismatic Holy Orders of the new catholic religion but reject these Catholic Rites as the intention is all wrong so is the licity of the Mass, Licity is separate from its validity. You can have a totally illicit Mass that’s still valid but even this is questionable as it is clearly schismatic and even schismatic is valid?. 

 If one wishes to be catholic. One must embrace the whole faith, teachings and Mass. It is not for the new religion of Vatican II to change the Mass to suit others. If a Pope or bishop does this then they must not be followed as Quo Primum is binding on all Popes as stated by Pope Pius V, it is binding up his successors, as given him the authority to Peter through Christ. This will lead us to another blog coming soon over the creation of the Church of England creation of 1534 and their claim to Unbroken Apostolic Succession that entwines issues within this blog.

Conclusion.

As this was created as a temporary act and has gone above and beyond than what Pope Benedict XVI wanted and he has said as much, we have to look at the facts to decide as mentioned earlier.


  1. Are Anglicans converting  to Catholicism for the right reason and intention?
  2. Once ordained in the new ordination rite of Pope Paul VI are they ordained validly or in a schismatic rite. The answer is clear the new rite is a schismatic rite and their fore as a schismatic ordination rite it is valid .
  3. During the ordination rite one has to satisfy the intention, is the intention of the ordaining bishop to ordain and catholic priest well this is not a simple yes and or no answer at this stage!
  4. Once ordained will the new Anglican converts as catholic priests be using a catholic rite and rubrics for the faithful. Again this is not a yes answer. The answer is clearly known by all as NO. The rite to be used by them is the Book of Divine Worship, Anglican.

  • Therefore, their is clearly issues here. The ordaining bishop can not ordain the anglican converts as valid or even schismatic valid catholic priests as the intent is clearly defective right from the begining.  

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Let us turn this on to its head.

The Anglican Church of England was founded in 1534 which stemmed from the Roman Catholic Church.  Its bishops were bishops consecrated by the Roman Catholic Church.  It eventually instituted its own identity within the Anglican rite and rubrics.    

Because of this change of jurisdiction, it was clearly stated by Rome that the Anglican Church held invalid holy orders. 


But if their bishops were consecrated bishops by Roman Catholic Bishops, then we need to look at the case of how these Anglican orders are classed as invalid holy orders and yet the new religion of the Roman Catholic Vatican II states that Anglican converts can be re-ordained absolute and are permitted to use the Anglican rite and rubrics and yet still be declared as valid and licit orders. 


It is impossible to declare one set of orders are valid and the other set are invalid in this scenario: both must be either invalid or valid as the circumstances are the same.   

  

If Vatican II is saying that the Anglican Church is invalid despite its bishops holding valid lineage from 1534 from Roman Catholic Bishops because they used a different an Anglican rite and rubrics for their mass: then the Vatican II who use a catholic bishop that imparts a catholic schismatic ordination rite and rubrics that permits the new “priests” from then onwards to use an Anglican rite and rubrics for everyday mass services.  


What is the difference then is the intent: surely, they must be the identical?  They cannot be as opposites and yet be from the same origin – the Roman Catholic Church Apostolic Succession. 

Maybe there must be an ‘alternative’ form of logic now in force in Rome.